Character Creation Guide

[Ivan T. Boomstar]

I agree with Void. There are many, MANY different types of anarchists. There are those spiritual ones, those crazy ones who go around blowing stuff up, the peaceful ones, the ones who are just doing it to be rebellious, and the ones who's choice is fueled by their own circumstances.

First off, the main focus of anarchism is not to control oneself. It is to exist in a world without government. Then, controlling oneself comes to play. Anarchy is not some spiritual yoga voodoo ritual. Second, anarchists are human. They're not pillars of knowledge who are perfect in every way. They have their own beliefs, their own faults. Just because they WANT something doesn't mean they're going to throw away everything for it. There's a reason why I chose the person in my avatar to be the character model for Ivan. His name is Nicholas D. Wolfwood. He's a character from Trigun. He was a priest who helped orphans and gave spiritual advice to people and really helped out. He also was a killer. Sure, the kills he made could be justified by some, but the point is it went against the teachings of the church. He once said, "Life is an unending series of problems, all difficult, with brutally limited choices and a time limit. The worst thing is to make no decision, waiting for the ideal conclusion to present itself. Make the best choice possible in a split-second. We are not like God. Not only are our powers limited, but we sometimes have to play the Devil." Hypocracy: everyone's a hypocrite. If you would like me to point out all of Zinn's flaws, then I would be happy to. Every anarchist is different, so don't make snap generalizations and say that they are fact. Your opinion is not gospel.

[Zinn]

Anarchism is not the lack of a government. It is a world in which you are your own government.

There are anarchists who destroy stuff for the hell of it. However, they are a minority. They do not represent most anarchist thought. They justify their actions in their own minds, and claim to be fighting for anarchy. While I disagree, they have their own set of logic, and are still following anarchism, in their own way. Anarchist ideas are easily melded with most other sorts of government. It is a very versatile concept.

I don't see how you could justify hunting people down under anarchism. Exerting your own will upon someone else because it is your own justice is governing others, and governing others violates anarchism. Your character doesn't need to do that. Your character could work in a book store, or something. No one was ever pushed into hunting others to eat. You could get a job as a waiter or something. Sure, you would be working for other people, but you wouldn't be killing people, or hunting people like animals. I suppose it is a question of ethics.

Zinn is a very flawed character, who is often hypocritical. As you said, she is a human being, with flaws. However, she doesn't sell other people or kill people for money. Her hypocricies are of a personal nature, and she hates herself for them. That's one of the major conflicts for her character.

These are not snap generalizations. I feel I have properly represented my viewpoint. It is bad form in a debate to directly insult the other person's validity, when they are stating facts.

[Void]

Minority or not I do not believe people should be discouraged from choosing that mindset for their character.

Also, when they were tearing up downtown Seattle in droves, they most certainly didn't seem like a minority to me.

[Ivan T. Boomstar]

It's because you are stating your opinions and labelling them as facts that I insult you, Zinn. THAT is not allowed in a debate.

You are not Zinn almighty. You cannot tell people what is and isn't anarchy. You're not even an anarchist! I don't know why I'm even having this argument with you. Anarchy is just that, the destruction of centralized government in order to govern one's self. Pressuring someone, capturing someone, killing someone.... that is NOT governing someone! You're not telling them how to live their life. You're ENDING their life. According to you, all anarchists should be vegetarians, too. Everyone is a hypocrite. Who are you to judge which hypocracy goes against anarchy more? You're just one person, as am I. So why don't you debate the facts rather than the value of your opinion?

You do realize that anarchists do not believe in using an age code for relationships. Pedaphilia does not exist under true anarchy, so being critical of others for having relationships with younger people is "against the spirit of anarchy." Spirit of anarchy, that's a load of crap. Anarchy is an idealogy, not some free floating essence/cult religion. You should do a little more research into the anarchist code.

BTW, Ivan is not a destructivist, so don't compare him to those stupid terrorist pricks.

[Void]

Sorry, this is getting a little out of hand. Let's try to be civil.

[Zinn]

None of what you said has anything to do with my previous posts. I would apreciate it if you didn't put words into my mouth, or talk about my political affiliation. If you can't have a debate in a civil manner, I do not wish to continue. Your character Matsumura's relatinship with Varsha is irrelevant currently, as is my views on vegitarianism, which have nothing to do with my views on anarchism. I would also appreciate it if you stopped insulting me, as it is poor debating form. If you can't be mature about this, than don't bother.

Taking someone's life is the ultimate form of controlling another person. You are exerting your will upon another, and taking what may be the only life they have, since an afterlife is not assured.

The way a debate works is that you do not speak directly about your opponent. You talk about things your opponent does. For example, if I were in your position, I would stop attacking me personally, and actually talk about what I am saying currently. Saying "Oy yeah, well you do stuff too," is not a good response, and is rather immature.

Example 1: In a debate about gay marriage, you do not ask what your opponent's sexual orientation is, because it is not necissarily relevant to the conversation.

You'll notice I haven't said anything directly about Ivan, other than how I feel that bounty hunting and being a mercinary are contrary to anarchism.

This is getting out of hand. I am withdrawing from this conversation.

[Zinn]

Wow, that contained a lot of poor grammar.

[Ivan T. Boomstar]

1. I never said I was debating with you
2. If we were debating, then you already lost because you repeated information from a previous argument in another argument. I was in debate club, you're not allowed to do that
3. I am not name calling, I am not insulting Zinn, I am defending my position
4. You may not be attacking Ivan right now, but the other night on AIM, you bashed Matsumura left and right, unfairly. You even made up bs that he didn't do...
5. I am not insulting you being a vegitarian. I am simply saying that if you believe hunting someone down is against anarchy, then you also believe that eating animals is against anarchy. Anarchy is not about human dominance, and animals are treated as equals.
6. By saying that an anarchist cannot be a bounty hunter/mercenary, YOU are going against the rules of anarchy. Anarchists decide what they want to do for themselves. Anarchy is true freedom-freedom to do WHATEVER you want, when you get to the core of the issues
7. Anarchy is hypocracy. The lack of government is a government in itself. There can never be true anarchy, anarchy is just an ideal belief. It does not mandate what people can and cannot do. If that were the case, then anarchy would just be another form of government
8. I wanted nothing more than to end this argument, but if you're going to say things about my group that just aren't true, I'm going to call you on them
9. Your original post was a direct attack at Ivan. He's the only anarchist bounty hunter/mercenary
10. Your debate manner is just as uncivil as mine, so don't repremand me

[Zinn]

1) Whatever.
2) Vice president of the debate club, two years in a row, plus the youngest delegate from our school at Princeton Model Congress.
3) Attacking someone else personally and using things that I said over IM or didn't say at all is not defending your position.
4) You've called Zinn a pregnant dog daily since she blew Matsumura off. Also, this bears no relevance to the current conversation.
5) I agree with that. However, it has no relevance to the current conversation. It also has nothing to do with bounty hunting.
6) That's a circular argument and you know it.
7) Anarchy is a form of government. It's ironic but true. That's why anarchy and chaos are not synonymous.
8) Your group?
9) Actually, we seem to have several. Tamuro and Tsatsuno are some others. I didn't want to name any names, but you seem to be taking things personally, again.
10) Mommy, he hit me! No she hit me! Did not did so did not did so, and onward into infinity.

[IronHammer]

Both of you shut the hell up. You're both acting like babies. Agree to disagree or something.

[Ivan T. Boomstar]

Who died and made you mod? Whatever, this argument has gone on long enough. Someone doesn't want to address any of my issues, so they're saying that they're all irrelevant...

BTW, my group is anarchists. I am an actual anarchist in real life. I told you this before

[LuLu]

*anime laugh* Okay x-nay on the fighting ey. (Lion King XP lol)Please no fighting.

[Devin]

Jeez... There are pleanty of characters founded on mismatched lifestyles and ideology. No need to get so worked up about just one more.

[Edea]

I'd say not to be very ruling. You would want to avoid being a tyrant. And more of a less controling leader.

[Dr. Andrea Murdock]

Red Infinity is an opresive regime. Isn't it in the job description to be controlling if one is in a position of power? Besides, we only do what we do because it is best for the people.