Fascists

[Noe "Ghost" Carlson]

Supposed to represent? This is the LIF, not the Fascits. It is not limited by a single political ideal or set up. It is what it is. I've made changes for Bass before. If he doesn't like this one, then perhaps he should have someone else make a truer fascit group. I'm not trying to be condesending or anything, I'm just trying to make a honest suggestion. Perhaps a new group is in order for those who want to be "real" fascits.

#3 sounds wonderful to me, and I'd be happy to work at that.

And I can redo the names without difficulty.

But I don't plan on changing the mission statement. What did you have in mind for a change exactly?

[Zinn]

I'm willing to compromise. If the other things change, then you can leave the mission statement as is.

Being slightly less nice to people who LIF percieve as 'damaged' and more class restrictions for partial non-humans would be good.

That's really all LIF needs to be more fascist. You are doing a pretty good job.

It would be good if LIF members did more hunting. I know there haven't been any hunts in a while. It would help reinforce LIF's message.

[Noe "Ghost" Carlson]

Excellent. I will make the changes within the next few days then.

[Raz Nili Ze'ev]

Oh, and I forgot to add something.

Could you make LIF more anti-Communist? It doesn't mean you have to hate all communists, but being opposed to communism would be truer to Fascism.

[Virgil- The Prophet]

Well, the LIF doesn't have a offical stance on any style of government, really. But I suppose I can do that anyway.

[Valodya Bassarov]

Thanks Zinn for your help. That is exactly what I would like to see for the LIF. I don't expect them to exude fascist thought, but to keep them more identifiably fascist is all I want.

I don't know much about fascism myself, though I have read some of Mussolini's writings.

Generally, fascists think that war and violence is the ultimate expression of human greatness.

They believe that government embodies the spirit of the people, but "the people" is actually the majority (thus for Italy it was Catholics and Italians)

They disagree with socialists since they think that we are too concerned with the material needs of people. They believe that people want greatness and glory, and are driven to these more than they are towards equality and social justice.

[Virgil- The Prophet]

That does fit the LIF very well.

[Huey P. Newton]

said:

Thanks Zinn for your help. That is exactly what I would like to see for the LIF. I don't expect them to exude fascist thought, but to keep them more identifiably fascist is all I want.

I don't know much about fascism myself, though I have read some of Mussolini's writings.

Generally, fascists think that war and violence is the ultimate expression of human greatness.

They believe that government embodies the spirit of the people, but "the people" is actually the majority (thus for Italy it was Catholics and Italians)

They disagree with socialists since they think that we are too concerned with the material needs of people. They believe that people want greatness and glory, and are driven to these more than they are towards equality and social justice.

There are fourteen defining characteristics of Fascism, according to Dr. Lawrence Britt, who studied Fascist regimes from Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc. etc. This should help explain what Fascism is. I took this from, "Fascism Anyone?" by Dr. Lawrence Britt:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

[Zinn]

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Earth is for humans. Check, you've got this one.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Yuber. Check, you've got this one. Even more disdain for the rights of non-humans. Bonus points.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - Check.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Not really feasable since LIF is not a government. It is however, highly militant, so check.

5. Rampant Sexism - This one is ignorable considering the progression of humanity. LIF is mostly Christian, right? They could be opposed to homosexuality I guess, but I think it would be a back seat, personal issue. It is OK for LIF to be basically egalitarian when it comes to traditional familial roles. Also, they have a history of strong female leaders. LIF can be equal opportunity, but only for humans. I think an objectivist stance would be best here. The breeding program is very true to fascism, because Hitler's goal was to breed a 'better' person. LIF seems to be trying to do the same thing, so good job on that.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Unfeasable. Red Infinity controls the mass media. Ignore this one.

7. Obsession with National Security - Also unfeasable, for the most part. LIF is obsessed with keeping humans 'safe' though, and the hunters are a obvious sign of extremism. Check.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - You mentioned that LIF has a religious section. That's good. Someone should create a member of the religious section of LIF.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - Unfeasable. LIF is not a nation. Ignore this one.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Unfeasable, since LIF is not a government. Ignore this one.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - This one, like the gender thing, doesn't really apply to LIF, and that's perfectly fine. Lenna Simion had her PhD, and many members are highly educated. That's fine. Objectivism again. LIF is probably opposed to education for people they don't feel deserve it.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Hunters. Check.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Ignore this one, because it really doesn't always apply. See Nazi Germany. Pure ideology with no crony type corruption in the higher levels. They really meant the venom they spewed.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Ignore this one, since it also doesn't always apply. See Nazi Germany and Musollini's Italy.

I think LIF is mostly in order. Try to be more political, and change the rank system with easier names, condence some things, and at least add limitations for the weak, disabled, or non-human.

[Virgil- The Prophet]

Religious guy is in the works. The Order of Simon will be complete soon.

Limitiations were supposed to be emplied as you move down the ranks. I didn't think that exact examples were needed. It's just things like limitation of rations and freedom of movement. Lower classes have less ability to aquire personal resources.

Name changes are in the works.

More political will pick up considerably once the truce fails. Until then, their trying to play friendly with the government.

[Yuber]

I know not whether to be angry or honored that I by myself fufill #2 on that list. Making the L.I.F. more facist simply by being nothing other than myself. I suppose that I should keep up the good work then?
And of course, by doing that, I shall continualy be complimented on being... what was it? Ah, yes. "Being such a great bastard."
I really cannot think of a clever quip as a responce to that. Unfortunatly, it compels, dare I say, challenges, me to be an even greater "bastard." Consiqutially, I am now reading Silence of the Lambs for ideas, amongst other things.

[Cassinda "The Dove"]

Read Misery while your at it. That chick was one sadistic, psychopathic pregnant dog.

And you do make a great bastard.