Black Panther Party of Self Defense

[Josef Stalin]

Ok, since no one else started this thread, I will. Here is where all you Black Nationalists and Radical Socialists can talk about the need to overthrow the imperialistic capatilist regime of the world and implant a socialistic system that looks out for the common good of all the people.

[Zinn]

There is no capitalistic imperialist regime in this RPG. The last vestiges, the FRA have basically collapsed. Lady Blue is trying to rebuild, but Red Infinity, the Stalinist government, is basically in charge of the entire world, save for a few small rebel bases. There is only one member of the Black Panthers, who only posted once, a few months ago, so this thread is a little out of place. Unless you intend of creating a member of the Black Panthers, please delete this.

[Huey P. Newton]

I take offense to that comment.

[HeleneKarinaElizaMany other]

I am under the impression that the black panther party was made to encourage blacks to defend themseleves aganist the oppression of the black man.
BTW: where is your partner? Ya know, the other person who helped you create the black Pathers.

Huey: Don't take offense. She isn't trying to be mean.

[Zinn]

OK, we have an actual member of the Black Panthers now. This is a valid thread.

The purpose of this section of the board is for individual political groups within the RPG to have their own little areas for discussion. I asked for deletion because there were no members of the Black Panthers in the RPG. Now that there are, this thread is valid. It isn't anything personal, and I don't see why you would take offence. If someone started a Nazi thread or something, and there were no Nazis in the RPG, I'd ask for that to be deleted too. Or a GLAAD thread. Or whatever. Insert name of organization here. Its nothing personal.

[Huey P. Newton]

Guest-HeleneKarinaElizaMany said:

I am under the impression that the black panther party was made to encourage blacks to defend themseleves aganist the oppression of the black man.
BTW: where is your partner? Ya know, the other person who helped you create the black Pathers.

Huey: Don't take offense. She isn't trying to be mean.

No, I am afraid you are mistaken. There is much more to the party than that. The Panthers were formed to protect the black man against the opressive racist government. To protect us against the capitalistic bureucrat pigs in office. Allow me to regail to you the ten point platform of the Black Panthers:

October 1966
Black Panther Party
Platform and Program

What We Want
What We Believe

1. We want freedom. We want power to determine the destiny of our Black Community.

We believe that black people will not be free until we are able to determine our destiny.

2. We want full employment for our people.

We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the white American businessmen will not give full employment, then the means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.

3. We want an end to the robbery by the white man of our Black Community.

We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules was promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of black people. We will accept the payment as currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The Germans are now aiding the Jews in Israel for the genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered six million Jews. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of over twenty million black people; therefore, we feel that this is a modest demand that we make.

4. We want decent housing, fit for shelter of human beings.

We believe that if the white landlords will not give decent housing to our black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for its people.

5. We want education for our people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in the present-day society.

We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of self. If a man does not have knowledge of himself and his position in society and the world, then he has little chance to relate to anything else.

6. We want all black men to be exempt from military service.

We believe that Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like black people, are being victimized by the white racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military, by whatever means necessary.

7. We want an immediate end to POLICE BRUTALITY and MURDER of black people.

We believe we can end police brutality in our black community by organizing black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States gives a right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all black people should arm themselves for self defense.

8. We want freedom for all black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails.

We believe that all black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.

9. We want all black people when brought to trial to be tried in court by a jury of their peer group or people from their black communities, as defined by the Constitution of the United States.

We believe that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so that black people will receive fair trials. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives a man a right to be tried by his peer group. A peer is a person from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical and racial background. To do this the court will be forced to select a jury from the black community from which the black defendant came. We have been, and are being tried by all-white juries that have no understanding of the "average reasoning man" of the black community.

10. We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace. And as our major political objective, a United Nations-supervised plebiscite to be held throughout the black colony in which only black colonial subjects will be allowed to participate for the purpose of determining the will of black people as to their national destiny.

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly, all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to supper, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariable the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

[Zinn]

That platform strikes me as rather racist. I believe that for true equality, everyone needs to be equal under the law.

1) You have the power to determine your own destiny already. There isn't a cabal of white dudes sitting around going, "and that dude will grow up to be a surgeon," or anything like that. There are problems with racism, but you will always be entirely in charge of your own destiny.

2) There are a lot of unemployed white people too. There are unemployed people from every race, religion, and creed. We already have affirmative action, which I am opposed to because I find it to be unfair and ineffective, but it guarantees a certain number of minorities must be employed by a company.

3) The Germans haven't done jack nuts for us. Trust me. As I have stated before, you were not a slave. I was not in a concentration camp. No one owes us anything. To believe one is entitled simply because of one's race and ancestral history is inherently racist. Also, where did you get the 20 million figure? Are you including slave ship deaths, from non-American traders? Who is included? That number seems inflated.

4) Certain black communities in the 1960's were very succesful at taking over entire neighborhoods, and making them cleaner and generally more attractive than they were before. There are people of many different races that are homeless. To expect the government to provide you with housing while everyone else still has to buy a place is just silly.

5) OK, I totally agree with this one. I am an avid fan of history, and frankly, I find the rampant eurocentrism and whitewashing appalling.

6) As a pacifist, I am completely opposed to the idea of a military. That being said, for an entire minority to be excemt because of their minority, is racist. What about everyone else that doesn't want to join the army? Like it or not, the racist government is your government. If you have a problem with it, creep inside the machine. I recommend petitions, letter campaigns, attracting positive media attention, educational seminars, etc. There are a million and one tried and true options, that if widely implemented, would be very effective.

7) That would just be opening a whole new can of worms that could easily explode into civil war. I offer a more practical solution. Do not rage against the machine, creep inside it. Become the police. Instead of creating a malitia, organize more black cops. The homosexual community used that strategy in the 60's and 70's. The project was spearheaded by Phyllis and Del. It was a resounding success in the areas it had been implemented in.

8) Everyone? How about just having retrials. Yes, the system is messed up and biased. However, that doesn't mean that every incarcerated black person is innocent. If you don't like the system, become the system. Encourage your kids to study law, and become judges. Due to affirmative action, your kid has several extra scholarship benefits that everyone else does not have access too (something I am opposed to, but hey, use the systems loopholes as much as possible.). Or, even better, study law yourself. It is never too late to learn.
9) All white juries are a bad idea, but all black juries are an equally bad idea. As you stated before, an all black jury might be compelled to rule another black person on trial innocent, to stick it to the man. It has been known to happen in many communities. For a fair trial, many viewpoints must be represented, as long as those views are open to evidence. Think of the OJ trial. How many people thought he was innocent just because he was black, and the government was out to get him?

10) If you want a separate country, you have to accept the responsibilities of a separate country. Australia, India, and Canada do not ask Britain for financial support. I you want a separate country, the US government probably won't support you, not because it is racist, but because you have declared yourself separate. You cannot set yourselves apart, and expect to have special benefits from something you have rejected.

[Satsujin]

I have to agree with Zinn on all accounts. I would have responded in much the same way except I did not have the time to do so.

[Huey P. Newton]

The thing was written in the 1960's and is in no way relative to present day society. The Panthers are over, despite the new uprising Panthers. However, the NEW Panthers are a complete discrace to the ideals of Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale.

As for all the points you brought up:

1.) In the 60s, that was more directed towards the kind of laws that were not being allowed to blacks. The fact that some young blacks wouldn't get a job just because they was black. Etc. etc.

2.) Affirmative action was not around back then. And, while it is around now, there are people who oppose it because the find it to be racist. While some people truly do see it as racist, others themselves are just upset about seeing The Man finally doing somethin' for us. I'm not sayin that's you, by no means do I say that, I'm just sayin' that some do.

3.) Yes, the Germans did do alot to help the Jews who were victims of the holocaust and their decendants. Not only did the Germans write a formal apology, large sums of money were donated to the new Jewish communities. Ask Stalin, the guy who RPs as him is half Jewish. His great grandfather survived the Russian prosecution against Jews during the revolution.

4.) The whole point of a Socialist government is to provide EVERYONE with a house. To provide EVERYONE with a job. To provide EVERYONE with an equal state of living. Socialism is truly a great form of government that looks out for the needs of ALL the people.

5.) I am glad you agree. I am so mad that the US seems to portray General Custar(spell?) as a great American hero, when in reality he was nothing more than a mass murderer. He killed Squa and small children. Then, when he finally went up against some Indian Brave, he got his @$$ whooped. AND WE HAVE A MEMORIAL DEDICATED TO HIS MEMORY!!!

I am sick of hearing that the Texas revolution was to escape Santa Anna. It was about the right to own slaves and nothing more. Sam Houston was no military strategist. He didn't go to aid the Alamo because at the time, there was no president of The Republic of Texas. ALL his competitors, Jim Bouie, Steven F. Austin and Davy Crocket, were in the Alamo. To let them die in the Alamo would assure that Sam Houston became president.

6.) I don't really agree with this one myself.

7.) If you are met with lethal force, it is perfectly legal to defend yourself with lethal force. If someone charges at you with a car, you have a right to pull out an Uzi and blow the driver to hell.

8.) I agree on the re-trial idea. I never agreed with immediate release of ALL members. For instance... if OJ did get sentanced, I would by no means free him. Same thing with Tyson.

9.)As for the OJ trial... it wasn't racism that freed him. Well... in a way it was.

I believe that the cops who got the evidence planted some things, like the bloody gloves. I think OJ did it, but the cops planted evidence just to make it worse. In doing so, the bloody gloves were a size or two too small for OJ. "If the glove does not fit, then you must aquit."

So, I guess it wa the racism of the cops that helped OJ get away with murder.

10.) Ten was more the statement of a revolution to overthrow this imperialist capitalist regime that is America. A call to arms to take over and implicate the socialistic and governmental system that we outlined above.

[Artemis]

Well he looks like he has his nuts together. I like the points he made.

[Huey P. Newton]

Thank you. I do like to think that I have done my research.

[Satsujin]

lol I like the Car vs. Uzi comment.

[Valodya Bassarov]

Good job.

[Huey P. Newton]

*accepts praise and bows* Yes, that's right. I am the man. ;D