Music

[muadib]

Good old days when the only rules were Live Short, Burn Fast, And Go Down With the Smile, and everything was about se'x drug's and rock'n'roll.....I feel really old when I think of it....

[Cathie Magnesa]

That's not all and beside that's still all happening but instead of rock'n'roll it's rap and hip hop.

[muadib]

That is not the same...Rock'n'Roll is music that put Indywidual humen above the society, Words Se'x Drug's and Rock'n'Roll represented the most secret idea of the rock, mainly that one indywidual person heve the the choice what to do in his live. And Hip Hop is simply, well, plain music...simply commercial music...but of course I can be wrong...

[Zinn]

Most of the rock and roll I listen to has nothing to do with drugs. A bunch I listen to have nothing to do with sex either. The sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll thing is BS in my opinion.

There is underground, political, and meaningful rap.

[muadib]

Well, if you look at it closley Rock is not about the drugs, but it's about if you want to take it go ahed, it's about free choice of human, many great musicians took drugs becouse they wanted to or after it they done better music(look Jimmi Hendrix, Ozzy Osborne, Jim Morrison and many moore) just like I said it's all abot free choice of single person, the same is for se'x, do it when you want where you want and with who you want that is the simple mesage that rock tell us. Rebel against society, you're rules you're conciens...And I still think Hip Hop is a simple music with no character...

[Kai]

Wow....Why do you guys over analyze this so much. If it is a good song Listen to it no matter what it is about.

[Zinn]

Drugs rarely improve a preformance. In fact, they usually kill the users. Ozzy is screwed up, and Jimi and Jim are dead. Rock can be about rebellion without all of that nonsense. Granted, iggy probably wouldn't be as supremey insane as he was when he made Raw Power, but he fizzled out fast. The same thing goes for Courtney Love. Pretty on the Inside and Live Through This were great albums, and now look what's happened to her. Kurt Cobain... well, do I even need to go there with what happened to him? An prime example of rebellion without the drugs is the Crass: They're the punk band that popularized anarchy symbols. Fugazi never did any drugs, and they were one of the best alternative bands ever. I'd hardly call being owned by a major capitalist label rebellion.

Hip hop can be quite political. Heck, there's an entire subgenre of hip hop dedicated to gay rights. Just because most of the hip hop on the radio sucks doesn't mean all hip hop sucks. Heck, most of the rock 'n roll on the radio sucks, but I still love rock 'n roll.

[muadib]

All is right, but it's not about takling the Drugs as you read is about a simple man free choice to take or not to, as I reapet you therei much great artist, and bands that create Rock without drugs, but they will not stop youi if want to, Sex Drugs and Rock'n'Roll is not only a simple mening words for P'erversion, Wee'd and loud music, this is the way of life where free men can do whatever he wants...and how can you be a rebel without idea of freedom, anyway there is owcorse a lot of rock trash (in my personal opinion Rage Against the Machine is the most corrupted with commerciaslism band, But that is my only personal opinion), there are many examples of a bands that ware great and in their songs were lot about sex and drugs, but they do not commericalized them (Ex 'old' Guns'n'Roses, {'new one' is crap}, Metallica) as for the old great rock men, well Curt cobain was sick from the beging of his live, i mean not sick like psyho but really sick, he got offen depresst and that F*%$#@$ wife of his beat him so hard that in finshed that way, Jimmi was the greatest gitair layer of all time and no one absolutley no ona can ever compare with him, Jim Morrison was a hounted man but a great poet.Anyway back to the subject Rock music is not about taking drugs, this music is about live and choices you can make in it, be a part of establisment or be ageinst it in you're own unique way...

...And hip hop well let us take for example I don't know a simple member of Hip Hop community...He dreams to take a gun, go on a street and shoot someone who isnt his kind, then he will go to jail and when he'll get out and start to play, to do big money he will be proud of that he was in jail, and when finly he will be nominated to the some sort of award, and not get it he will go on the stage and complain that he is the greates and got the biggest pens...I know what am writing is a litle bit drastic but most of people who listen hip hop in my country are snoobs, and will not accept anyone who is diffrent that's ehy i think Hip Hop is a commercial music (But i listen sometimes to Cypress Hill)...

And Kai it's about honor...

[Kai]

LOL!! Yay guns'n'roses. Very good band....Honer...Wow....Ha..

[Zinn]

I agree that Rage Against the Machine are one of the most hypocritical bands ever.

You're only thinking of violent hip hop. There are pacifistic hip hop bands. One of my favourite hip hop groups, the Streets, don't do any of that stuff. Granted, they do have a song that has to do with the legalization of marijuana, but it's done in a very intellegent way. It's a conversation between a college student pothead and a blue collar alchoholic.

Courtney Love never beat Kurt Cobain. There was one incident of domestic violence, in which a glass was shattered. Kurt was the one who ended up going down to the police station. Kurt Cobain was manic depressive, and had a history of suicide in his family. He also attempted suicide before meeting Ms. Love.

Guns 'n Roses are a bunch of racists, and Axl got a nose job. Metallica is a bunch of whiners. Did it ever occur to any of them that their CD sales are slipping because people don't like them enough to actually buy their albums? They sued a band in Canada because they used the E and the F chords, in that order in one of their songs. TWO CHORDS! You can't copywrite two chords! It's just silly.

[Kai]

Although it's old...NIRVANA! Guns'n'roses rock...THEY ROCK PEOPLE'S SOX.

Wow, if there is a copyright on the E and F chord's in that order...I must be in debt of alot of money.

[Zinn]

Nirvana were awesome, even if they did "inspire" some really sucky bands.

Grunge is awesome. Mudhoney, Jesus Lizard, The Melvins, Babes in Toyland, Sonic Youth...

[muadib]

I don't know, well Metallica went bed on that new album 'saint anger' but remamber that band made a big step in rock music, you can remamber great albums like 'Black Album' , 'Ride the lightning' or 'Master of puppets'. And why are you saing that Guns'n'Roses are racist, I agree that Axl Rose is ass and becouse of him good old band cracked and now they are playing some industrial shi't, but you can denay that he has got one of the best vocal you ever heard. I've got all the albums of that band before Slash left and in none of them there isn't any word about racism. I was on two concerts of Guns'n'Roses, when the old band played with Slash and Duff that concert was one of the best i've ever been on, second one was not lont time ago in Tokio and it was something diffrent it wasn't that style that it used to be. And Nirvana who acctually stared the Grunge movment they were best in that style...All I can say is "The fire is burning and It's out of control, don't you warry you can stop it rock'n'roll"...

[Zinn]

If Velvet Revolver is Industrial, I'll sell my VNV Nation, Skinny Puppy, and :wumpscut: albums and eat my hat.

Also, Nirvana didn't start the Grunge movement, they just popularized it. Mudhoney and the Melvins were two of the first Grunge bands. Kurt Cobain was actually a roadie for the Melvins for a while. Nirvana were really good, but they were far from the best. As far as mainstream bands go, they were fan-freaking-tastic.

[Kai]

Nirvana wasn't far from the best. It was like way up there.