Iran: The New Iraq?

[Karina Bassarov]

Okay people. This is the last f**king straw! Obviously, Bush's main goal for the United States is to start WWf**king III! Hasn't he gotten though his thickass head that Iran isn't Iraq and they will nuke the nuts outta us? Is the president (and I refrain from calling him "our" president) retarted or what? I don't get it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that majority of Europe and Asia has had enough of us? Whats really goin' on?

[Zinn]

Well, he's not my president! (Because I am still a Canadian citizen...)

I don't think he's going to go for Iran next. My wager would be Syria.

Oohhh, who wants to start a war pool? It's sort of like a dead pool, except instead of betting on who keels over first, we bet on who the US attacks next.

I think Bush is smart enough to know that starting another war now would not do well in the polls.

[Freak Boy]

I don't think Bush cares. He's already president for another four years and, unless he pulls a Nixon and sends CIA agents to break into the Watergate, I don't think he's going anywhere soon.

If he invades Iran, no-fly list and thin ice or not, I am driving I disagree up to Washington and declaring independance from the United States.

Ok, here are my potential candidates for another war:

Iran
Syria
France (nobody likes them anyway)
the Stans. (Kasakhistan, Tajikistan, etc. etc.)

Anyway, I don't think we're invading North Korea because the Taipo Dong 2 can reach Alaska, California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii and parts of Nevada.

[Helene]

Bush was invovled in Watergate so yeah... he probably would pull a Nixon. He has already pulled that "I am not a crook!" bullnuts. I dont think he cares about the polls. These attacks are all revenge. I wouldnt be surprised if he went to Cuba, France and even some parts of South America. The Stupid Son Of A pregnant dog is gonna assrape us for the next 4 years unless someone plants a hollow one in between his f**king beady eyes.

[Zinn]

North Korea doesn't have any oil, or any valuable natural resources. I don't think we're going to go for North Korea either.

Bush has pulled worse than Watergate on quite a few occassions. It isn't a matter of what the politician does, it is a matter of media coverage.

[Mikhael Nadyezhda (Mischa)]

The entire white house, dating back to Reagon and all the way up until Clinton, have been chomping at the bit to invade the entire third world. I think the only reasons that we haven't invaded Iran yet, is because Iran isn't nearly as important in natural resources, and therefore not important to capitalism on a global scale, and because of the fierce resistance that the soldiers are facing in Iraq.

I think that the Iranian Contra scandal was a FAR worse scandal than Watergate ever was. And well, since the media is bought and paid for by the very corporations that by and pay for our politicians, you didn't get nearly as much of an outrage over a much greater scandal.

[Huey P. Newton]

Let's face it, Mischa... the only way we'll be able to get Capitalists to stop invading the entire world is a revolution. Maybe not now, but someday it'll happen... when America realises it has nowhere else to invade, it will invade itself with another Civil War/Revolution.

[Archetype 401]

Heh, just wait until China needs to expand.

Our military is stretched so thick that there were rumors in Congress about a draft. I could go on and on about how easily China could tip the scales and become the real RI, but I'll save it.

[Karina Bassarov]

Honestly, I think Red Infinity will happen. If its in 500 years or in 5 days, who knows, right?

[Sakari Lehtinen]

Mischa:

Ha ha, that's great. Although I think it'll be called Red White and Blue Infinity instead.

[Frank Richardson]

I don't think China will become the real Red Infinity. They're becoming a superpower and claim to be communist, but in reality they're majorly importing and exporting goods, they're for free trade and have a nuts load of industry... let's face it, they're capitalists under the guise of a communist system. Granted they have some communist things in effect, their economic system is a communist sham.

Mischa's right. Red White and Blue Infinity is much more likely... although, I think it'll be more Neo Zero. (if you don't get the reference, I host a site like this called Neo Zero where a Fascist government has come to power in 2335.)

[Inamadhurry]

I think the world's patience is wearing thin with the U.S., Bush has done little but make mistakes and anger the rest of the world and the UN in his now elongated term. We might as well be Germany now we're so hated in the rest of the world.

It's just a matter of time, so though I seriously doubt there will be a real Red Infinity, I am betting on WW3, we need world war three, for the economy that is. I for one am willing to suffer the human expenses. Small price to pay if you ask me, it should shoot us up economically for 100 years, maybe a little less than that.

[Zinn]

I think the current economic system of globalization prevents any major wars from happening. I believe that economics run everything, and a world war is not economically feasable.

Revolutions are drastic measures. I think there are many things we could do before resorting to a total change that may or may not be any better.

I do believe China will become a super power at some point, but not because of any military might. The US relies suprisingly heavily on China for trade. They could cripple us right now if they wanted to, by boycotting exporting to us and importing our stuff.

The world is under a capitalist system. It is the system of having a republic that the United States is spreading, as well as exporting United States culture. Capitalism already exists everywhere currency is used.

[Garret thingysure]

I am glad that you shared your opinion Gunnar, since many conservatives do not on this rpg considering that it is run by communists, and has quite a few liberals.

As for that last comment, war extends the life of capitalism. In a capitalist system, war is innevitable since it is required to open new markets and take out competitors. But your willingness to "suffer human life" for wealth really should be evaluated.

Why is wealth and power so important in your book that innocent lives should be shed for it?

The World Wars made the United States the economic juggernaut that it has been (though as Europe is now long rebuilt and Asia is becoming more competitive thus threatening that power and wealth). For capitalism to survive, intercapitalist war is something in our future.

I hope this goes to show the weakness of a system that requires war to survive.

[delayed]

They will fight for a good reason. Not just for wealth, do not make it sound like that. For stability, for survival for a future of opportunity. For something to be gained something else must be given up, and while perhaps you are not willing for that thing to be the so called "innocent" (a term which here means those who happen to not be convicted, because believe me no one is innocent) people I am. It is inevitable.

I for one would rather be realistic than rely on a system of ideals, nothing but spineless unrealistic ideals. Ideals and hopes and promises. I would rather live in a Capitalist system by which perhaps the promises are not so pretty and sugar coated such as "oh we promise you equality and everyone is fed and housed and yatti yatti yatta." But atleast we do not try to hide our flaws with humanitarian dribble.

The point being how dare you call this system weak when it has worked far better than any corrupted regime your has spawned. Sure we have to give something up for it to go on working, but I am ready and willing to do so. At any point.

Power and wealth is what we fall back on, not a high and mighty concern for others. This is why it is so important.