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Post by Matsumura on Oct 5, 2004 20:55:19 GMT -5
It's just like that game where you explain a situation to one person, have them explain it to someone else, have them explain it to someone else, etc, then compare the final version of the story to the original and see how different the two versions are. It's especially hard to keep facts straight when the events didn't even happen (sorry, but if you believe every story in the bible, you've gotta be a little gullable, not saying anyone on here in particular does, just putting it out in the air).
I for one believe in faith in the spirit. I believe that there had to be something that created existence and we should pay tribute to it in our minds, but I believe we must let our faith rest within ourselves. Trust the human spirit. Be faithful and upstanding. Have faith in yourself and in others. Don't worry about being perfect and don't worry about the little details. But believe in the human spirit. Believe that we are more than just carnal beings that seek consumption and reproduction. I believe feelings and personality are all controlled by the spirit. I'm not sure if there's a name for my beliefs. Do I follow any religion in particular? No. Do I consider myself religious? Yes.
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Post by Eliza Cady on Oct 5, 2004 21:05:37 GMT -5
I have an open mind. I dont call myself Catholic or Jehovas Witness(they really scare me) but I can understand everyone's religion. Personally, I believe there is a God (and like Helene, I think "He" might be a "She") and I believe in Jesus. Everything else is taboo.
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Post by Matsumura on Oct 5, 2004 21:11:10 GMT -5
I believe that if there is a God, it is neither he nor she. Simply becuz it probably doesn't reproduce like humans. I believe it's power was creation, not reproduction
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Post by Raven on Oct 5, 2004 21:21:14 GMT -5
i guess i would be an atheasis... <.< i know thats ont how you spell it, but i dont want to go back and look it up ^_^
i believe there is no God, Heaven has already proven to be a false... or rather, what people a few hundred years ago thought heaven was and Hell is no better,
demons, spirits, ghosts, angels. they could exist, somewhere out there in another galaxy, or even in our own. or another dimension paralle to ours,... or something along those lines.
but as far as religion goes, it is just belief that gives people hope, false hope, but hope nonetheless...
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Post by Eliza Cady on Oct 5, 2004 21:23:08 GMT -5
Never said God reproduced. Its just that, as God is described in the Bible, sounds like a girl to me.
Its childish, I know, but...
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Post by Zinn on Oct 5, 2004 21:44:23 GMT -5
One of the interesting things about the Torah is that it hasn't changed at all in the last 2000 years. Actually, that reason is one of the reasons that some Fundamentalists argue that the Jews are God's chosen people.
I think the human spirit is a flawed and defective thing, and that we should aspire to improves ourselves, and to overcome our own natures. In my opinion, religion is one of the ways to serve that function. Although not the only way, it is the most common.
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Post by Anutsaka on Oct 6, 2004 18:27:21 GMT -5
Your argument makes sense Mischa, but I guess I forgot to mention, it takes the right kind of person to follow this religion. All people today don't like to feel restrained or constricted in anyway, and in the end, end up rebelling from anything that conflicts with their way of thinking. It's silly really, when you think about it. Happiness, is only in the mind, sadness is only in the mind. You all say that Happiness can be attained by marrying a person that you love, but what is true love? It shouldn't matter who you marry (to a certain extent, lets not get picky), and you should still be able to love them. Afterall, looks don't matter as much, right?
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Post by Cruella De Vil on Oct 6, 2004 23:22:09 GMT -5
oh yeah I agree with you on the Witnesses. They scare me. They come on bicyicals and try to convince us. Yeah eight. I am afraid to answer the door when they come. WHen they do I am old not to answer the door.
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Post by EMMGuest on Oct 7, 2004 10:39:08 GMT -5
Faith and Belief are interesting things. It is only natural that everyone thinks that their beliefs are the right ones (or else why would they believe them in the first place, right?), which is why people try to impress their beliefs upon others. When all is said and done, however, death or armegeddon or whatever will finally reveal what was truth.
As for me, I am a wanderer on this road of life. I can only pick what I believe, seeing it as the most realistic, the most based on facts (or my perception of the facts), and the most hopeful; and I will live my life accordingly and find out if I was right in the end.
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Post by Raz Nili Ze'ev on Oct 7, 2004 21:36:15 GMT -5
I have friends that are Jehovah's Witnesses. They are good people. A little overzealous sometimes, but good people nonetheless. They are definitely not scary, and are extremely loyal to their God. I do not agree with them, but I can respect the strength of their belief.
If there is one religious group that makes no sense to me, it is Jews for Jesus. I thought Christians were Jews for Jesus.
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Post by Matsumura on Oct 7, 2004 21:51:33 GMT -5
lol...... WTF? There's a group of hypocrites.
See, whether or not Jesus was the "son of God" I believe that following his example is noble. He taught us to believe in the human spirit. Sure, he died becuz of it, but his example would enspire countless people to live a righteous life, and for that, one cannot deny his divinity.
The human spirit itself is not flawed. Flaws can develop that hinder the human spirit, but we are all born pure, ignorant, and with a clean spirit. It is the events of our life that cause those flaws to develop. However, by practice and trying to better ourselves, we can remove those flaws. Religion is one way, but there are others. Hey, for some people politics does it. Whatever works
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Post by Andrew Kasher on Oct 7, 2004 21:55:24 GMT -5
Matsumura, I would like to ask you to delete your statement about the undeniability of Jesus's divinity before we start a flame war. I find it offensive, and I would refute that view, but it is a very sensitive topic, and this is supposed to be a sharing of ideas, not an argument. No one can say that anything is certain in their own religion. Feel free to think it privately, but please don't post loaded statements like that on here.
I don't see any hypocrisy, just rendundancy in the group Jews for Jesus. Essentially, Christianity is Jews for Jesus. That's what confuses me. I have no dislike of the group, I just think that there really isn't any middle ground. You either believe Jesus was devine, or you don't.
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Post by Linnea Korpela on Oct 7, 2004 22:06:41 GMT -5
Essentially, Christianity is Jews for Jesus. That's what confuses me. what the hell is this suppose to mean?'?? i am religious in the sense of christainty and you guys do this all the time. you start a board to piss someone off. you don't need to post anything bout religion yes it is a touchy subject and you should respect everyones point of view and it's good to have questions but when you take it to a point where you are just being a bastard about it then your just .... i dunno. But it doesn't need to be done, we sit here and argue our values and say you are discussing them be we all know what it's going to turn out as. i think we should just drop talking about religion all togethger im sick of seeing these posts |
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Post by Raz Nili Ze'ev on Oct 7, 2004 22:10:23 GMT -5
Jesus was a Jew. Jesus's followers were originally Jews. The old testement is a transalation of the Torah. Therefore, followers of Jesus are Jews for Jesus, aka Christians. There is also a group called Jews for Jesus that follows Jewish traditions but believes Jesus was the messiah. This strikes me as modified Christianity. I did not mean it as an insult. I just do not understand. In the event you are a Jew for Jesus, and you can explain the difference between Jews for Jesus and Christianity in a more in depth way for me, it would be much appreciated. I am sorry if my comment has been misinterpreted as an insult.
I am sorry if I have offended you. I will edit if you wish.
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Post by Valodya Bassarov on Oct 7, 2004 22:14:48 GMT -5
Well I agree with Andrew's statement, since Jesus was a Jew and christianity started off as a Jewish sect.
If Jesus were to see Christianity today he likely would not recognise it.
And even early Christians would scratch their heads.
Christianity was warped dramaticly and irreparablyr when Augustine and Constantine used Christianity as the religion of the (Roman and future) Empire building.
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