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Post by Zinn on Sept 26, 2004 19:26:17 GMT -5
Oh man...
Bassarov, this is totally not worth it. Why don't you just ban John? I mean, we're having a whole bunch of really awesome players leave, so John can keep cybering pontlessly and powerplaying, without capitalizing anything.
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Post by Grove on Sept 26, 2004 19:28:34 GMT -5
He has already decided, based on what the general population of the board said, which is a good way of doing things. It isnt right to put pressure directly on him.
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Post by Valodya Bassarov on Sept 26, 2004 19:30:05 GMT -5
Well I would rather ban John than have the others leave
But I shouldnt be put in that position
I would rather negotiate things, and that sort of tactic to get your way is dirty
I of course dont want them to leave
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Post by Grove on Sept 26, 2004 19:33:59 GMT -5
'That sort of tactic to get your way'? Well if you want to view it that way it is up to you. I would just rather not RP on a site with John anymore. I had said I was going to leave this site before the thread about banning John was even put up. I told both Jareth and Peter in a chat 'If John is still here after this, I am out' and I am sticking by it. It was entierly their decision to join me.
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Post by Zinn on Sept 26, 2004 19:35:47 GMT -5
Soo, if Peter is leaving, I guess that means that LIF is basically over, right?
I guess that could be integrated into the plot. Perhaps Hagana could destabalize them. Then, the remaining LIF members that are not played by Peter could reform, but without Peter and Dr. Lenna, they're oragnization would be crippled...
GOD DAMMIT GUYS, DON'T LEAVE!!!!
And then there's Grove. We don't have enough Green Party members, and Ruwai are so cool...
And Morrighan, you're really cool too. I mean, you're named after one of my favourite Goddesses from mythology....
And then there are all of the other characters you guys play. I don't really know who else Morrighan plays, but Satsujin is a really awesome evil god.
And Virgil's green, slimey insanity.
On the other hand, boycotting is a very effective, if painful method of doing things. It is totally valid. Tough, but valid.
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Post by Valodya Bassarov on Sept 26, 2004 19:39:17 GMT -5
I do feel that it is a dirty tactic and immature
However, as I said I would choose Jareth, Peter, and Evan over John
If given that choice, I would ban john
Then the rpg could resume, though I would strip you, Peter, and Jareth of moderation powers since I dont think you are being very mature and diplomatic.
That would be the outcome, which if given no other choice, I would have to accept
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Post by Matsumura on Sept 26, 2004 19:44:02 GMT -5
Wow Bass, that's a really, really good ultimatum. If they so strongly think that John should leave, they will be more than willing to give up their mod powers, but if they don't, then they'll just be immature hypocrites. You're like that emperor in that story about the women fighting over the baby and then he said he would split it in half and yaddayadda. Nice move.
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Post by Grove on Sept 26, 2004 19:47:18 GMT -5
I am sorry you have lost respect for me Bassarov. It was not my intention. I am not threatening to leave if John is not banned. I AM leaving. Like I said, I had decided this a while ago. It is not a threat, hence not boycotting. I am leaving after today. Whether I come back or not depends on the situation with John. If you can 'tame' John while I am gone, then I would come back. It is not a 'Ban him or lose me' situation. I do not like that idea, because like I said it puts way to much pressure on you. Jareth and Peter I dont know, but as for me, it is a done deal already. I have had the worst of John. Believe me. Peter has not experienced what I have even. I am just not going to deal with it so I might as well already be gone.
At least with me, I wish you would not take it as the way you see it, but if you do, I cant change that. So I apologize.
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Post by Valodya Bassarov on Sept 26, 2004 19:50:50 GMT -5
And I am saying, to keep people on my rpg, I would ban John but strip moderator powers
I am not sure how one would gauge that John has improved or not considering that you dont believe it is possible and dislike him already, so essentially you would be quiting
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Post by Jareth on Sept 26, 2004 19:56:35 GMT -5
i only accepted the moderator position to help Bass out in the first place. I was on alot and could overlook things when he was offline. But since it seems it doesn't make a difference whether there are mods or not i do not care if i am one or not.
I was never really into telling people what to do unless they were hurting others...i was more like a PR person anyways...
like i said this was for fun...but its not anymore...
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Post by Grove on Sept 26, 2004 19:56:35 GMT -5
If I could be shown proof of consistant instances where he did what a moderator said without blowing up in their face that would be sufficient. That is the thing that really bugs me. It seems you returned my nonexistant ultimatum with your own. Moderator positions dont really matter to me though.
This is not an organized revolt Bass. This is a personal action I have decided to take. Others have just followed suit.
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Post by Zinn on Sept 26, 2004 19:57:02 GMT -5
Oh wow, Matsumura, that's a King Solomon midrash!
I'm impressed. I love the King Solomon midrashim, particularly the ones regarding the queen of Sheba.
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Post by Peter "The Owl" on Sept 26, 2004 20:00:42 GMT -5
Well, I volunteered for Mod-ship anyway, I'm fine with losing it again. I never use my "Mod power" anyway.
I would say that if John improves I'd stay but I believe he will never improve. I've known him for at least a year and a half and played with him on half a dozen boards.
And he's exactly the same now as when I first met him.
And when diplomacy fails, I will resport to boycotting, though it's like cutting off my own arm. I love this site. But I can't stand having John as he is anymore.
However, if you truely believe that you can change John I'm willing to wait. I really don't want to leave.
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Post by Valodya Bassarov on Sept 26, 2004 20:00:45 GMT -5
Ha, organized revolt...I guess I may have invented that in my own mind
It did seem that way since I get online and find out..."Hey Jareth, Peter, and Evan are quitting unless you ban John!" That sounds a little deliberate to me, but that was just my innitial reaction to a developing situation
Okay. well then, I am trying to discuss things at the moment with John
I want the rpg to be fun for everyone
Maybe I can convince John to respect everyone. I would like that. I don't know....
It just causes me a lot of stress
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Post by Mikhael Nadyezhda (Mischa) on Sept 26, 2004 20:03:35 GMT -5
I was typing up a response to this issue earlier, and that was before I heard from the other side. I really do sympathize with you, Peter, Evan, and Jareth, but I do think that Bassarov did a good job of holding his own. I think that both sides are muddying up this issue a little bit. Bassarov cannot be blamed for this, he really does try his best. Running an rpg like this does take a lot out of a person. On the other hand, maybe calling Peter, Evan and Jareth immature was a tad bit harsh as well. Judging from what they've told me, this isn't anything new, and has been going on over IM's, and in other RPG's for a long time, and at least according to Evan, all other diplomatic solutions have been tried, but have failed. Granted, I haven't been through what Evan has in regards to John, but I'm still very leary of this opinion to say the least.
Regardless of what happens, I think everybody needs to take a step back, and just calm down. Bassarov, Evan, Jareth, and Peter, you're taking this too seriously. To get literally physically stressed out over something like this is illogical. (This is me playing the Vulcan role by the way...) But truth be told, I am still very torn on this issue. I'd hate to see anybody leave the rpg, John included, for something like this, but if this is what it comes to, then it's better to get it out in the open like this than to just keep ignoring posts, and letting him get away with things.
And to John-
To say that you have been an not a very nice person on the main quest is an understatement. I hope you take this opportunity to take these threats more seriously, and understand that you really do need to change your person if you wish to continue RP'ing. I know you don't like being told what to do, and I hope that I'm not the first one to tell you this, but that's what life is about.
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